Trending on twitter. I know people are not happy with this answer but it is consistent with what i have been saying since January
@Marg The situation is bullshit sure but the answer is not. We don't know how long natural immunity lasts. It could be forever, it could be a year, it could be a couple of months. Better safe than sorry
@watch4thedrop I am going to have to respectfully educate here. Antibodies ALWAYS drop off after a few months. It is how our bodies are designed. The cells that remain, called B cells, migrate to the bone marrow. What remains behind, however, is the ability of our T-cells to "Recognize" the infection immediately and direct the B-cells in our bone marrow to make NEW antibodies. The "experts" are NOT so expert after all.
https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/good-news-mild-covid-19-induces-lasting-antibody-protection/
@watch4thedrop @wziminer @Marg
Sounds like this is dealing with memory T-cells.
https://www.genscript.com/antibody-drug-development-news/memory-t-cells-how-are-they-formed.html
The jury is still out on whether this leads to lifetime immunity or we need booster shots.
@redwhitebluedude We know for a fact that sars covid 1 patients have immunity against sars covid 1 and 2 17 years later. we know for a fact that Spanish Flu survivors had immunity against the Spanish flu 90 years later. I am going with that and using all my experience as a medical doctor to say that we will find out that it will apply here as well. If you have a healthy immune system, it will prevail. Sweden was right and we were wrong. @watch4thedrop @Marg
@wziminer @redwhitebluedude @watch4thedrop @Marg
Since when do we pay attention to one study in all of this? There have been cases of covid patients getting re-infected.
Also, I read the thing on the Spanish Flu. They had anti-bodies, but no proof that they were immune. At least, the article never mentioned it.
From my lowly research, having anti-bodies does not necessarily mean that you won't get something again.
@umad80 Not one study; multiple studies. I am using my experience and 14 years post high school education in
medical school, graduate school and 5 year residency, not to mention my years of practice to come to these conclusions. They are my opinions and multiple other drs who I am in contact with agree with me. You may agree or disagree as you wish, as you are a smart and will do as you see fit. @redwhitebluedude @watch4thedrop @Marg
@SomeLadyInVirginia @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @watch4thedrop @Marg
But not the pharmacist who also knows what he's doing. 😂
@SomeLadyInVirginia @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @watch4thedrop @Marg
No. There is no difference between the two other than the practice. They still have to learn the same things.
@SomeLadyInVirginia @umad80 @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
me and wzi are not disagreeing. she says her prediction "should" be correct and time will tell. I'm saying the reason the CDC putting this out is because there's no consensus and we need to wait for time to tell. She could be right at the end. But in the mean time, better safe than sorry. I have not taken up the opposite side though that says she's wrong.
@watch4thedrop @SomeLadyInVirginia @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
I think you both make great points. I'm of the belief that it won't last long as nothing ever does. Things like H1N1 are still around and is just a normal flu strain.
Most likely this is what covid will be.
To me, whether one has had covid or not, it seems smarter to not get it again just incase.
@umad80 @SomeLadyInVirginia @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
Yep. It is. That's why the CDC and med community is making this recommendation.
@umad80 I hear you and respect your opinion, just as I hear and (mostly respect) the opinions of everyone here. I'm glad people are doing what they need to do to stay safe. I also believe people should have a choice, especially if they had it and recovered. They need to know my information, too. @watch4thedrop @SomeLadyInVirginia @redwhitebluedude @Marg
@wziminer @watch4thedrop @SomeLadyInVirginia @redwhitebluedude @Marg
Yes, 110%. Talk with your doctor. Get a second opinion if you must. I'd rather everyone be safe and healthy and do what's right for them!
And I love learning, so thank you for all your knowledge. 😁
@KathrynK @watch4thedrop @SomeLadyInVirginia @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
And herein lay the problem. Because the CDC is so political these days, actual good recommendations are looked at as sinister.
What a sad state of affairs.
If you don't believe the CDC, trust other medical professionals. Ask your doctor. Get a second opinion too.
It's smarter to not play with your health.
And I'm not accusing you of anything, Kathryn. But it is a real problem.
@KathrynK @SomeLadyInVirginia @umad80 @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
it's the logicarecommendation at this point in time until we know more.
@SomeLadyInVirginia @watch4thedrop @KathrynK @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
And this is what I am talking about. Because of how political CDC has gotten, people are doing the complete opposite of what they recommend.
Speak with your doctor. Get a second opinion if you must. But don't make a decision based on your hatred for a government bureaucracy.
@SomeLadyInVirginia @watch4thedrop @KathrynK @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
Then clean out your ears. The CDC is not your enemy. It's made stupid decisions based on politics instead of science and data, but it's not evil.
@SomeLadyInVirginia @watch4thedrop @KathrynK @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
Making stupid decisions is not evil.
There would be a lot of evilness in this world if we decided every stupid decision we made was evil.
@umad80 Faux-i knew better. Drs knew better. People died because treatment was withheld due to political reasons only. I would like to think that medical professionals are better than that, but they have proved NOT to be. I would NEVER have made those decisions, because they are not based on medical reasons. Medically, ethically, HCQ should NEVER have been withheld. That is was, was nothing less than evil. @SomeLadyInVirginia @watch4thedrop @KathrynK @redwhitebluedude @Marg
@wziminer @SomeLadyInVirginia @watch4thedrop @KathrynK @redwhitebluedude @Marg
Fauci has been a long-time idiot with bad decisions. Just look at what he did during the aid crisis.
He should have been fired then and he should be fired now.
But this is all political. No one was making rash decisions. The CDC wasn't the only one.
@umad80 No disagreement there, m'dear. @SomeLadyInVirginia @watch4thedrop @KathrynK @redwhitebluedude @Marg
@wziminer @umad80 @SomeLadyInVirginia @KathrynK @redwhitebluedude @Marg
Democrat governors should be held accountable for this. not the CDC.
THIS! I understand some doctors would not speak up because of the backlash the doctors who DID speak up received.
I never would have thought political narrative would take on the Hippocratic Oath.
@umad80 @SomeLadyInVirginia @watch4thedrop @KathrynK @redwhitebluedude @Marg
@umad80 @SomeLadyInVirginia @KathrynK @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
The expectation of perfection from healthcare is stupid.
Yes the CDC has made some errors for a new virus that nobody in the world understood.
No that doesn't mean everything they say from now on is wrong.
@SomeLadyInVirginia @watch4thedrop @KathrynK @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
Ah, so this is personal.
You know what? My brother was put on Ritalin when he shouldn't have been. I blame the schools and the doctor. It most likely led to his drug addiction that led to his death.
I refuse to be angry and decide that wall doctors are evil.
Living your life that way will take you to early grave.
@SomeLadyInVirginia @watch4thedrop @KathrynK @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
No, because anger is anger. You want to vilify the CDC. They did stupid things, I agree, but they made good recommendations too.
The CDC is your villain. I'm telling you, let it go, you will feel better.
@SomeLadyInVirginia @umad80 @KathrynK @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
you're not gonna make these people pay by ignoring sound medical advice. Just yourself
@SomeLadyInVirginia @umad80 @KathrynK @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
That's just stupid. I can go on the CDC website right now and pull out 10 sound advice. stuff you likely do on a day to day basis. You are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
@SomeLadyInVirginia @watch4thedrop @umad80 @KathrynK @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
Seems like they change their minds all the time! One day this, the next day that -even though I got the vaccine I don’t understand why I have to wear a mask and lockdowns are coming! Wish someone would explain possible lockdowns?
@watch4thedrop Again, I respectfully disagree. None of this nonsense went on when I was dealing with Sars-Covid-1 as Chief of Anesthesia at the time. We never would have enforced the mask nonsense outside. It was never even suggested. The recommendations were "wash your hands. stay home if you are sick. distance yourself from others who are sick." Duh. @umad80 @SomeLadyInVirginia @KathrynK @redwhitebluedude @Marg
@wziminer @umad80 @SomeLadyInVirginia @KathrynK @redwhitebluedude @Marg
Yeah the masks were stupid. but what do you disagree with? you think everything the CDC says now is wrong?
I've gotta be honest with you; I've been in the lab & x-ray field for over 20 yrs, but I was retaking an A&P course right as this all started as a prerequisite to increase my grade from a B to an A to have a chance to be accepted into an Echocardiography program (I was)...my A&P professor told the students to listen to the CDC regarding COVID & my first thought was "DON'T LISTEN TO THEM!"
I was right!
@wziminer @umad80 @SomeLadyInVirginia @KathrynK @redwhitebluedude @Marg
@umad80 @SomeLadyInVirginia @watch4thedrop @KathrynK @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
The CDC has lost credibility. When you make decisions based on politics instead of science and data you are evil.
@Jaime @SomeLadyInVirginia @watch4thedrop @KathrynK @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
See, I think a lot of agencies are political and make decisions politically. And of course, the whole world went mental, not just our neck of the woods.
Making decisions politically? I don't find it evil, just stupid and you should lose your job over such decisions.
Now, if they were purposely trying to cause a pandemic that would be evil.
@umad80 @SomeLadyInVirginia @watch4thedrop @KathrynK @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
I find masks a danger to my health and those I love and care about. Any Agency messing with that is evil.
@umad80 @SomeLadyInVirginia @watch4thedrop @KathrynK @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
Not to mention the psychologic damage.
Look at the post I just re- tooted from Dan Crenshaw
@Jaime @SomeLadyInVirginia @watch4thedrop @KathrynK @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
Can you point me to it? I took a quick look at your timeline and didn't see it.
@Jaime @SomeLadyInVirginia @watch4thedrop @KathrynK @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
Then every organization in the world is evil. Do you see what I mean? It wasn't just the CDC.
If we had a real news media, who are the enemy of the people, they would have questioned mask-wearing and ask Fauci why he said they didn't work and then flipped when masks became political.
@umad80 @SomeLadyInVirginia @watch4thedrop @KathrynK @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
I don’t know about every organization in the world. But the CDC is affecting me my family and friends. Hard to believe anything they say in regard to Covid.
@umad80 @Jaime @SomeLadyInVirginia @KathrynK @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
The long hurdle jumps in logic is what i'm trying to cull.
"The CDC was wrong about masks." fine. we can talk about that all day.
But then all of a sudden we jump to "the CDC is an evil agency that is trying to kill us and we should ignore everything they say."
This is not a logical follow through of information. There are many steps in between that were skipped.
@watch4thedrop @Jaime @SomeLadyInVirginia @KathrynK @wziminer @redwhitebluedude @Marg
People get from point A to point C without first getting to point B.
The CDC shouldn't be taken as gospel, but we shouldn't write them off either.
@wziminer @watch4thedrop @Marg
If there's ever been a better example of 'intelligent design' I can't think of one ...