@watch4thedrop I call BS
@watch4thedrop I am going to have to respectfully educate here. Antibodies ALWAYS drop off after a few months. It is how our bodies are designed. The cells that remain, called B cells, migrate to the bone marrow. What remains behind, however, is the ability of our T-cells to "Recognize" the infection immediately and direct the B-cells in our bone marrow to make NEW antibodies. The "experts" are NOT so expert after all.
Sounds like this is dealing with memory T-cells.
The jury is still out on whether this leads to lifetime immunity or we need booster shots.
@redwhitebluedude We know for a fact that sars covid 1 patients have immunity against sars covid 1 and 2 17 years later. we know for a fact that Spanish Flu survivors had immunity against the Spanish flu 90 years later. I am going with that and using all my experience as a medical doctor to say that we will find out that it will apply here as well. If you have a healthy immune system, it will prevail. Sweden was right and we were wrong. @watch4thedrop @Marg
Since when do we pay attention to one study in all of this? There have been cases of covid patients getting re-infected.
Also, I read the thing on the Spanish Flu. They had anti-bodies, but no proof that they were immune. At least, the article never mentioned it.
From my lowly research, having anti-bodies does not necessarily mean that you won't get something again.
@umad80 Not one study; multiple studies. I am using my experience and 14 years post high school education in
medical school, graduate school and 5 year residency, not to mention my years of practice to come to these conclusions. They are my opinions and multiple other drs who I am in contact with agree with me. You may agree or disagree as you wish, as you are a smart and will do as you see fit. @redwhitebluedude @watch4thedrop @Marg
me and wzi are not disagreeing. she says her prediction "should" be correct and time will tell. I'm saying the reason the CDC putting this out is because there's no consensus and we need to wait for time to tell. She could be right at the end. But in the mean time, better safe than sorry. I have not taken up the opposite side though that says she's wrong.
I think you both make great points. I'm of the belief that it won't last long as nothing ever does. Things like H1N1 are still around and is just a normal flu strain.
Most likely this is what covid will be.
To me, whether one has had covid or not, it seems smarter to not get it again just incase.
@umad80 I hear you and respect your opinion, just as I hear and (mostly respect) the opinions of everyone here. I'm glad people are doing what they need to do to stay safe. I also believe people should have a choice, especially if they had it and recovered. They need to know my information, too. @watch4thedrop @SomeLadyInVirginia @redwhitebluedude @Marg
And herein lay the problem. Because the CDC is so political these days, actual good recommendations are looked at as sinister.
What a sad state of affairs.
If you don't believe the CDC, trust other medical professionals. Ask your doctor. Get a second opinion too.
It's smarter to not play with your health.
And I'm not accusing you of anything, Kathryn. But it is a real problem.
And this is what I am talking about. Because of how political CDC has gotten, people are doing the complete opposite of what they recommend.
Speak with your doctor. Get a second opinion if you must. But don't make a decision based on your hatred for a government bureaucracy.
@umad80 Faux-i knew better. Drs knew better. People died because treatment was withheld due to political reasons only. I would like to think that medical professionals are better than that, but they have proved NOT to be. I would NEVER have made those decisions, because they are not based on medical reasons. Medically, ethically, HCQ should NEVER have been withheld. That is was, was nothing less than evil. @SomeLadyInVirginia @watch4thedrop @KathrynK @redwhitebluedude @Marg
Fauci has been a long-time idiot with bad decisions. Just look at what he did during the aid crisis.
He should have been fired then and he should be fired now.
But this is all political. No one was making rash decisions. The CDC wasn't the only one.
Ah, so this is personal.
You know what? My brother was put on Ritalin when he shouldn't have been. I blame the schools and the doctor. It most likely led to his drug addiction that led to his death.
I refuse to be angry and decide that wall doctors are evil.
Living your life that way will take you to early grave.
Seems like they change their minds all the time! One day this, the next day that -even though I got the vaccine I don’t understand why I have to wear a mask and lockdowns are coming! Wish someone would explain possible lockdowns?
@watch4thedrop Again, I respectfully disagree. None of this nonsense went on when I was dealing with Sars-Covid-1 as Chief of Anesthesia at the time. We never would have enforced the mask nonsense outside. It was never even suggested. The recommendations were "wash your hands. stay home if you are sick. distance yourself from others who are sick." Duh. @umad80 @SomeLadyInVirginia @KathrynK @redwhitebluedude @Marg
I've gotta be honest with you; I've been in the lab & x-ray field for over 20 yrs, but I was retaking an A&P course right as this all started as a prerequisite to increase my grade from a B to an A to have a chance to be accepted into an Echocardiography program (I was)...my A&P professor told the students to listen to the CDC regarding COVID & my first thought was "DON'T LISTEN TO THEM!"
I was right!
See, I think a lot of agencies are political and make decisions politically. And of course, the whole world went mental, not just our neck of the woods.
Making decisions politically? I don't find it evil, just stupid and you should lose your job over such decisions.
Now, if they were purposely trying to cause a pandemic that would be evil.
Then every organization in the world is evil. Do you see what I mean? It wasn't just the CDC.
If we had a real news media, who are the enemy of the people, they would have questioned mask-wearing and ask Fauci why he said they didn't work and then flipped when masks became political.
The long hurdle jumps in logic is what i'm trying to cull.
"The CDC was wrong about masks." fine. we can talk about that all day.
But then all of a sudden we jump to "the CDC is an evil agency that is trying to kill us and we should ignore everything they say."
This is not a logical follow through of information. There are many steps in between that were skipped.
Those who label words as violence do so with the sole purpose of justifying violence against words.