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Let's take a peek at national suicide.

We'll focus on the British, since they're the best at it.

In 1957, the British military announced that it needed a replacement for the English Electric Canberra bomber.

By 1960, the newly formed British Aircraft Corporation (BAC) had developed the TSR-2, a stunningly advanced design.

It was a two-seat tactical bomber.

The TSR-2 could flew Mach 1 at 200 feet.

It could also cruise at Mach 2 at high altitudes.

No other aircraft could touch it.

When the test pilot revved it up to Mach 1 at 200 feet, the chase plane--an Electric Lightning fighter--was unable to fly beside it.

The fighter pilot said the buffeting was too strong.

But the TSR-2 test pilot said the plane was stead as a rock.

So what happened?

The British LABOUR party demanded that the aircraft be scrapped due to costs.

The Labour party campaigned on cancelling the TSR-2, so the government took the unprecedented step of showing the first two production aircraft under construction.

The finished aircraft was revealed in 1964.

HOWEVER.

The American company General Dynamics wanted to sell their F-111 Aardvark to the British.

General Dynamics lobbied Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, who lobbied Kennedy, who lobbied British Prime Minister Harold McMillan.

This put McMillan in an untenable position.

Kennedy was demanding that the Brits scrap the TSV-2 and buy the massively inferior F-11 Aardvark.

The British had already spent so much money developing the TSV-2 that McMillan stalled.

McNamara worked with the British Labour party to spread the word that McMillan was wasting money on the TSV-2.

The Labour party was so successful in demonizing the TSR-2 that the Australians cancelled their order and replaced it with American F-11 Aardvarks.

In 1964, the Labour party won the election, and the first thing they did was cancel the TSR-2.

Three days after the election, the air force was ordered to destroy all the tooling and jigs at the factory.

They were sold for scrap at a loss of $25 million in 1964 money.

All completed TSR-2 aircraft except for two were chopped to pieces and sold for scrap.

One went to a museum, and the other was put on an artillery field and used for target practice.

Then the British cancelled the order for F-111 Aardvarks that McNamara had secured.

The British taxpayers lost $1 billion in 1964 money, and one of the most advanced aircraft ever built was destroyed for political reasons.

This is why Trump is so necessary.

The US meddled in British affairs at the behest of an American aircraft manufacturer, and in the end, everybody in both countries got screwed.

The British never came up with another design as advanced as the TSR-2. IF THAT AIRCRAFT HAD GONE INTO SERVICE, we'd be decades ahead of where we are now.

Leftism destroys ALL PROGRESS.

That's why leftists can never be given political power.

All they do is destroy.

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@ThomasWic

I couldn't find the emoji for "shaking my damn head"

@ThomasWic I remember the Australian government bought F111’s - they flew over my school; must have been about 1972.

@ThomasWic
F-111 also suffered from McNamera’s insistence on “commonality “ He hung the 111 on the Navy as an interceptor,one too heavy for sustained carrier ops. First six sent to Vietnam had 50% losses, all of which were non combat .
It took almost two decades for the design to mature

@ThomasWic

Hat-Tip to Thomas

Your knowledge and wit are razor sharp as usual.

Your skills in polemology and Hoplology are astounding.

Then combine that with your writing skill ....its Brilliant.

Thank you Sir
Much respect and appreciation friend

(If I may be so bold to call you friend)

@ThomasWic
The flat face on that little girl FREAKS me out.
Someone from the left would say "What ? Big bad conservative afraid of a little girl"?
My response "hell yes and the fact that your not freaked out freaks me out even more!"

@WarriorPoet

She opens every lecture by saying that she can't be questioned because she's autistic.

At that point, I would tell her, "Then you're wasting my time. If I'm not allowed to question you, I'm not going to listen. Goodbye."

Then I'd get up and walk out.

I think surstromming is what happened to her.

youtube.com/watch?v=nJZYieU6Cg

@ThomasWic
"Oh look... I've taken the smelliest most disgusting thing on earth and put it in my mouth and swallowed it.... aren't I awesome?"
I love the one that's actually trying to give it like a food critique.
Reminds me of the disgusting show Fear Factor. Seems there's an entire generation bent on seeing who can out stupid the next person.
No wonder they are emotionless, soulless cretins.
The thread from Carlos on Twitter was correct...
God help us if this doesn't end.

@ThomasWic I like the little artist easel there..... "at least she has some culture"
😜

@ThomasWic
Wait a minute....... she gives lectures???!!! Of course she does.
*facepalm

@ThomasWic

As far as Grit-and-Go Greta, I feel bad for her. She's (allegedly) 16 and she is such damaged goods. She knows absolutely nothing about life. Her parents have sold her to the highest bidder. She obviously has "issues." Her life was over before it started. Her parents should hang for what they've done to her.

@2020_DJT

Agree on all points.

My own take is that she's in on the con.

But of course I could be wrong.

@ThomasWic

That very well could be. She does know right from wrong at that age. It's all around just disgusting.

@ThomasWic @2020_DJT

Huge deep dive into Greta, the players behind her, how NGOs/non-profits co-opt youth movements, and much more.

Important to note the author is a Leftist who uses some lazy idpol rhetoric at times. But I think she paints a larger picture worth considering. Sometimes the enemy of your enemy can feed you valuable intel, even if at the end of the day you stand for opposite ideologies.

theartofannihilation.com/the-m

@ThomasWic

Why did the British cancel the Aardvarks - same as for the TSR-2 (costs)?

@ThomasWic If the Electric Lightning couldn't keep up with that TSR-2, it must have been fast. The Lightning so fast it was kept on by multiple air forces well into the 1980s.

Considering the TSR-2 was a bomber, too!

@ThomasWic
Not just politicians that do this cr*p. Look at the F-20, developed by Northrup. Hubby said it ran circles around the competition, but because it was privately developed and not on a govt contract, military wanted nothing to do with it. And our govt wouldn't let it be sold to other countries
This isn't the only example. There are many others.

@IDscot @ThomasWic

There was an attempt to offer it to some smaller nations, as was a J-79 powered F-16. No interest. Not because either bird was bad, but if the Americans didn’t want it, they didn’t either.
Too bad, the F-20 was ideal for smaller/less sophisticated Air Forces. Plus, inherently more stable than the -16

@ThomasWic Great post Thomas, Ty, im always learning from you

@Dawnz @ThomasWic @Debradelai

What is so valuable about this forum is we are all learning from each other.

@RonOgletree
This is what happens when civilized people have a civilized conversation. They learn.

Where unlike the other side all they do is Scream and holler while flinging crap at each other. And then all you have is Twitter

@Dawnz @ThomasWic @Debradelai

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