@umad80 @ThomasWic thank you for sharing . The crack epidemic is horrible enough and then we had the opaid one to follow ( though heroine has been around forever ) hmmm wonder what changed to make addiction to explode across the nation ? This too is one of the things that caught my attention about him and probably one of the many reasons I trust him today . People are not just going into poverty and ruining their lives ... they are dying .

@inverness01 @ThomasWic I've been thinking about this a lot, but I feel like Obama ending the ”war on drugs” is the lynchpin.

@umad80 Massive hugs to you, and thank you for sharing. Your thread was heartbreaking.

@ThomasWic @umad80 May your Brother continue to Rest In Peace, May God Bless you and your Family.Sending 🙏🏻🙏🏻To you all for continued strength and peace. 💙

@ThomasWic @umad80 Thanks for stringing that all together Thomas. People who have not had a loved one fall into addiction really don't understand what it is like. The high becomes more important than anything else in life. They will sacrifice everything they hold dear for the high. IMO legalization of pot and shrooms is not good - it will lead to more of these problems.

@TimToolMan @ThomasWic @umad80 I have an adopted son due my cousins opaid addiction. This is why I get pissed when people say the crisis is contrived . Though without such terrible circumstances, I would have never had the child I always wanted . Still does not change watching a family member succumb to a drug that is so powerful you don’t care who you steal from in your family or losing your children. We thankfully have her back now but I always worry .Addiction is such a powerful force .

@inverness01 @ThomasWic @umad80 My ex fell to opioids. She now lives with a known drug dealer, no telling what she is into now.

@TimToolMan @ThomasWic @umad80 I was always a proponent of legalizing weed and I still am . Always thought weed was far less harmful than alcohol. I know the only time o ever tried illegal drugs besides (weed) was when I was intoxicated .i understand the theory it leads to other forms but I still have never understood how weed was illegal yet alcohol was not. I never made bad decisions high other than eating a bag of Doritos but everyone is different .

@inverness01 @ThomasWic @umad80 I work in Denver a lot. The legalization of marijuana and now mushrooms has had a huge impact. I predict there is a huge bill coming due there, and it won't be pretty. I've lost 3 employees there because they tested positive for pot. $100k a year jobs gone so they can smoke dope. Crazy.

@TimToolMan @inverness01 @ThomasWic @umad80

That's just like getting fired for being drunk on the job.

I think people need to see how this plays out to figure out a way to deal with it better. This is sounding like pot needs a similar approach to alcohol.

@redwhitebluedude @inverness01 @ThomasWic @umad80 Pot stays in the system a long time. Maybe months. It's stored in the fat and is slow to get out.

@TimToolMan @inverness01 @ThomasWic @umad80

Obviously pot is not exactly like alcohol but we need to figure out how to deal with it since there is a push to legalize it. Sometimes people need to see for themselves what doing pot is like. If things go bad then they'll be a push back to curtail it or ban it.

To me the issue of pot is not relevant since I don't plan on doing any of it regardless of legalization.

But I feel we haven't figured out how to deal with pot.

@redwhitebluedude @inverness01 @ThomasWic @umad80 Truth. There is no breathalyzer to test for being under the influence of pot. They need to figure it out. I have a friend who lost his driver's license and job because a policeman thought he "appeared to be under the influence". Because there is no test, they are giving the officers opinion much more weight.

@TimToolMan @inverness01 @ThomasWic @umad80
That is the most urgent issue. Figuring out a test and training law enforcement.

@TimToolMan @redwhitebluedude @inverness01 @ThomasWic Really? I know there is no breathalyzer but on LivePD they give a similar sobriety test as they do to drunks. Obviously, both those tests are subjective, but they're at least trained.

@umad80 @redwhitebluedude @inverness01 @ThomasWic The pee test or blood test is the only definite way to test at this time. And those test cannot differentiate between high now and high a week ago. I have read there is a new test out there but it has not been vetted enough yet to stand up in court. If you can figure out what company has developed that - probably a good investment

@umad80 @redwhitebluedude @inverness01 @ThomasWic FYI - I am a fully qualified BAT (breath alcohol technician) among my other skills. My company decided to train supervisors a decade ago to test employees on job sites. That crashed on the first legal challenge. We use independent labs now. It gets me out of jury duty- nobody fighting DUI wants a BAT in the jury. ;-)

@redwhitebluedude @TimToolMan @ThomasWic @umad80 I feel the right will suffer if they do not get behind it but I know there are good arguments against it too .

@redwhitebluedude @TimToolMan @ThomasWic @umad80 not really .. being drunk on the job is terms for termination. A dirty pee test in a state that legalized weed does not mean your company allows it even if you were never high on job.

@inverness01 @TimToolMan @ThomasWic @umad80 being allergic to NSAIDs and pain relievers, CBD has saved me. Alcohol is far more debilitating.

@Rcabourne @inverness01 @ThomasWic @umad80 I've lost employees who were doing CBD and tested positive for pot. One was reportedly doing more than CBD, the other is sueing the CBD company. They sent it to an independent lab and it tested very high in THC, which CBD is not supposed to have. Looks like he may get a pretty good settlement.

@TimToolMan @inverness01 @ThomasWic @umad80 I completely understand the dilemma you're employees are facing/faced. Once CA legalized recreational weed, the medical market disappeared. There are very few reputable, legit CBD providers. The struggle is real... many of us have no alternative to manage pain except for CBD. Thankfully, my employer doesn't test... but I'm also an exemplary employee.

@TimToolMan @ThomasWic @umad80 with that said ... I was never what people would consider a “pot head” .. I did not like how “unmotivated “ it made me to do anything. When I had a high stress job I had a roommate that told me I needed it and it actually did help take the edge off when I would come home . That was just a small blip in my life however . I did my fair share of other things throughout my life but fortunately when I came to the fork in the road - I took a hard right back to my senses

@TimToolMan @ThomasWic @umad8 believe without question ... if I had a lot of money in my early 20,’s I may have been turned into a hardcore addict . I dipped my toe in the water and had a rock bottom moment that jolted me out of my madness . Actually a few but none the less , thankfully I did not go down that road at full speed .Again for me , alcohol was always the main ingredient.

@inverness01 @ThomasWic @umad80 Alcohol was a problem for me until I had my first child, I felt very driven to provide for my family so got a real job that requires random drug and alcohol testing. I've been subject to random drug tests for 30 years
If not for that who knows where I would be. For me speed was the drug of choice.
About 18 years ago I spent 2 weeks in the hospital with pancreatitis and now I can't drink a bit of alcohol without severe pain. I miss craft beer.

@TimToolMan @ThomasWic I don't have an issue with the legalization of pot. It has helped a lot of people. But those who act like it's 100% harmless are NOT helpful. Nothing is 100% harmless. Even Tylenol.

@TimToolMan @ThomasWic @umad80

1/2 It is a most disarming, humbling, traumatizing experience of helplessness to experience a loved one go through this suicide spiral. At times... stretched out over decades. My younger bro, now at 47 years old, the companion and soul mate of my childhood, has been a hopelessly dysfunctional alcoholic since age 18. The wear on my Mom is unimaginable beyond anything I have experienced.

@TimToolMan @ThomasWic @umad
2/2 So miss the kind soul of our childhood days running forest trails during summer camping with grandparents from Ft. Lauderdale to Atlanta once physically shoved me back and out of the way of a coiled rattlesnake on our path, about age 9 and and 11. He went the path of an addict in his teenage years. It cuts me to the quick to see the high potential gone, and the loved one a stranger. After years of estrangement he attended our vow renewal wedding last month. ❤️


Thank you for sharing this heartbreaking story. There is so much sadness in it, but also such beauty and hope. The beauty is the love you and family have for eachother and how that love never failed. That's also the hope.

The fight takes love and hope. Both are shining in your story.

Prayers for you and for the repose of the soul of your beloved brother. Your story is far from over.

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