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One last point:

Freedom comes with the cost of hearing things you will not like.

ABSOLUTE freedom is anarchy, which @Debradelai opposes.

You don't need to worry about the rules here. They're very simple:

Be civilized. Even civilized people can have passionate debates.

You have to be tough in order to be free. You have to let most things roll off your back.

At the same time, being relentlessly and deliberately disruptive is not allowed here.

This place is for adults.

@ThomasWic @Debradelai I’ve never met an Anarchist who was an adult. It’s a silly ideology IMO. Thanks to both of you for setting this up, I’m currently reading Gander and In Cold Sweat so thanks as well for passing along your experiences.

@benkostka @ThomasWic @Debradelai Indeed Ben, "Politics is downstream from culture." Our own founding fathers said that you couldn't govern an immoral people with the government they constructed. They assumed a shared culture that formed the proper fabric of everyday life. Most anarchists/minarchists have zero interest in the activities or institutions that support a thriving culture which promotes virtue in its members. They're too obsessed with not being told what to do. Adolescents!

@pseudokapi @ThomasWic @Debradelai I completely agree. There’s no morality in Anarchy. I’d even argue that true Freedom involves conquering your base desires so you can focus on something higher. I’ve never seen anything enjoyable or beautiful created by those types. They revel in destruction, it’s a disease.

@benkostka @ThomasWic @Debradelai Personal confession: I was one of those who supported Trump very early on out of cynicism for a system I believed to be utterly spent and incapable of representing the people it was supposed to serve. I was in the "let Trump pull the whole thing down with him" tribe (KEK and all that crap). But when my wife and I saw him speak, I flipped on the spot. The man comes right from the gut and what he said pulled me back from the brink.

@ThomasWic @Debradelai

I kicked a guy out of, the place i work, last night. Many people have acted worse and been treated better.

Its time for civility. When youvare 7th in line, expect to be 7th.

If a person is being an ass, don't reward them with prompt curteous service to fix your problem.

Stand your ground and fix theirs!

@Cube @ThomasWic @Debradelai Yep! My business runs on respect. You don't show it, You get the boot! I only have to use my boot about once a year.

@ThomasWic @Debradelai

Liberty.

True liberty REQUIRES restraint, as to not encourage upon another's liberty.

Indeed, freedom is not doing as you please... Totalitarian Dictators and despots of all walks are free to do as they please... Clearly that's not freedom. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

@ThomasWic @Debradelai
We can just call you and Saul "Dalton." Same rules here. "Be nice until it's time to not be nice."
Suits you both. I look forward to the next bar fight. My money is solidly on you, gentlemen.

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