Tweet from Rudy Giuliani.

"...Ukrainian official who gave falsified evidence to Dems was charged with a BRIBE..."

As I've said before I believe the Spygate charges will involve bribes not treason. Easier to charge a government official for a bribe than treason.


(1) So true, Alex. Charging them with treason is unnecessary and I would argue highly counter-productive too.

The goal I have at the forefront of my mind is for the outcome of all this in about 5-6 years' time to be transparency that allows for the education of voters so that they are way less likely to ever elect a traitor again.

Other benefits will also accrue, of course.



(2) IMHO:

No death sentences needed. No treason convictions. No indictment of a former POTUS - for the sake of the country, not the person. His true legacy of shame will be punishment enough.

(I explain why, in toot (1) above.)

Punishment is only one of the four pillars of corrective justice. Deterrence is at least as important.


I know impeachment I is a political activity. But doesn't the House have some predicate upon which to proceed like Clinton's having lied under oath?

@GodlessNZ @Alex_Graham

@patriotdistress @Alex_Graham

I'm not aware of any predicate that the House may have against PDJT at this time.

And even if they at some point believe that they have one, I'm relaxed about it, bc the Senate will never vote to impeach him, and if, heaven forbid, it did, no one would be able to stop citizen soldiers from reacting.

Even Dem Senators would realize this, and vote no.

Even if, they didn't, then LEOs would stop the civil unrest before it became a war.

All will be well.

@GodlessNZ @Alex_Graham shame is fine with me as long as they don’t get to keep their millions and government pensions.

@Jessieduds @Alex_Graham

I'm 100% sure that when this is all done, the Obamas and the Clintons will not have much money left at all.

Hehe. Good times.

@GodlessNZ @Alex_Graham you are both speaking as good, well rounded people who see the lay of the land, I think that for MANY out there in the depths of TDS/Lib land anything LESS that sedition/conspiracy/collusion/coup/treason will allow them to turn and say ALL this is BS and done for POLITICAL reasons. I agree that some will lose everything but skate. I do not believe HRC is one of them. I believe she WILL be convicted in order to deter others from going down the same path. Pardoned by DJT

@oystergirl @GodlessNZ @Alex_Graham

Either we have rule of law or we don't.

If people betrayed the country, their oaths of office, and broke our laws, then there must be consequences.

If there are not, then we are no longer America. We become something else then, something lesser and they have succeeded in destroying us.

There can be no more accommodation. Every one of our systems that is failing has the same problem, there is no discipline.

Without discipline we go farther into chaos.

@mrbungle @oystergirl @Alex_Graham

Come on now, none of us said we would be OK with people being allowed to skate.

@GodlessNZ @mrbungle @Alex_Graham LOL I didn't mean "get out of it" I mean NOT hang from their petards! I do agree some will be tried for lesser crimes because they will STICK.

@oystergirl @GodlessNZ @Alex_Graham

I believe that it matters what they are charged with. It matters now because we need to return to honesty in public discourse. That the thing we like about Trump, he speaks the truth not what's expedient.

Second, the left will immediately begin the martyr narrative and start rehabilitating the players. It what they do, it's how they manipulate reality.

This is a real test of the rule of law. We return to it now, or we just kick the can down the road.


With PDJT at the helm, I have no concerns whatsoever about the rule of law in the USA.

The left can screech all they like. I haven't cared about their false allegations so far and I don't intend to in the next few years.

You can be as pessimistic as you like but as for me and my house, we are having a ball. Gonna need some more popcorn, though.


@oystergirl @Alex_Graham

@GodlessNZ @mrbungle @Alex_Graham LOL my house is positive too my darling. I guess I have a bit more direct interaction with very active liberals in my circle of community and their level of stress and belief that the world is LITERALLY ending because of DJT leads me to believe that they will need incontrovertible proof that massive crimes were committed and that unlike the liberal side of things, which they are USED to and discount, NONE of these prosecutions are politically motivated.


Very well said my dear. LMAO

I'm surrounded by "very active liberals" (VALs) too.

Heck, even the so-called "center right" (whatever that means) oppo party in NZ acts like VALs most of the time.

Good times.

@mrbungle @Alex_Graham

@GodlessNZ @mrbungle @Alex_Graham In a family that is passionate, loves to debate and is active politically on both sides I had to learn to LISTEN and stick to issues at a very young age. LOL my Dad, who is Greek called me Idiote which of course means idiot but that's the term for an apolitical person too. When my mother was all high on Bernie she and my sister who was all high on Ted Cruz almost came to blows. Having none of that. It amazes me that people would let politics ruin family. Sheesh!

@GodlessNZ @oystergirl @Alex_Graham

I'm optimistic about everything, after a decade of being in a world that made no sense. I finally am with a group that jibes with my observed interpretation of reality.

I believed that there was massive financial corruption based on my observation of the world around me, but no one in my life saw it.

Better than that I'm in conversation with people who are actually able to iluminate things that were inexplicable before. Particularly the Middle East.

@GodlessNZ @oystergirl @Alex_Graham

That said, there need to be charges of treason, Conspiracy, RICO, deprivation of rights under color of law, criminal leaking, violations of security clearance, money laundering, taking bribes and whatever else they are guilty of.

@mrbungle @GodlessNZ @Alex_Graham Yes, it is a very good feeling isn't it? You bring up a great point too - your observed interpretation of reality is YOURS and everyone else has their own view. We can't see through their eyes. I like to think of them as living in a parallel shared reality and I get to choose what I focus on. Makes life much easier when not trying the herculean task of making everyone see things our way. Truth is, THEY WONT Anyway!

@oystergirl @GodlessNZ @Alex_Graham you just reminded me of the Al Smith dinner. Hillary bumped into Trump and said “pardon me”

@GodlessNZ @Alex_Graham I agree deterrence is important, but treason is punishable by death for the very reason that it is a deterrence


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The practice of and conviction for accepting bribes by Chicago alderman and (Illinois Governors) are well documented. Convictions of accepting bribes are much easier to comprehend, believe, accept and prove.

@Alex_Graham treason charges are instant "Martyr For The Cause". Bribery, otoh, is such venial crime.

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